Elgato Video Capture Mono Audio
I set all the Proc Amp settings on both to default. Hauppauge also had the option to control Sharpness in its Proc Amp, Elgato did not.The first attached video is the Elgato and the second is the Hauppauge. Both captured with through a Sony Hi8 Handycam CCD‑TRV318 via S-Video and mono audio. I'm gonna leave this to you pros, which one is better? Anything that sticks out in favor or not for one?Some interesting things to note that the Hauppauge does that the Elgato doesn't:On the Hauppauge's live feed and capture there's a large black border on the right at all times, I don't know why it's capturing so much dead space on the right side. On the Elgato there's an even amount of black on the two sides of a few pixels.On the Hauppauge's paused feed screen, something weird happens.
On the Elgato it just shows the buzz flicker around in the middle and nothing more. On the Hauppauge every couple seconds it goes on a screen like this and it freezes this type of screen covering the whole capture video for a second or two or three.
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Then it goes back to normal and it does it again. It legitimately looks like how your PC screen turns for a second before getting the Blue Screen, only just in that little capture window and constantly- when the video is paused. Very odd as this doesn't happen on the Elgato, any reason for this?So yeah, based on the 2 videos and how they play and the 2 odd things I noticed about the Hauppauge, what do you guys think is the better choice? What should I return?Should I be worried that the USB-Live 2 has those mini-seizures when the videos are paused?
And is that extra black bar it adds a hassle in the end since Elgato doesn't do it? Is one capturing more actual film/data than the other (besides the black bar)? Is one a clear-cut winner out of the two, quality/frames/color wise?I'm sure you guys can notice stuff I can't in the videos so if you do please give your input. I don't follow, why? During recording that would make sense because it would mess up your personal recording with a random pause, but when it's simply plugged into the computer and on the screen you shouldn't pause the tape, FF, RW it? That doesn't make any sense, I've never heard of that.
What if you only wanted to capture one part of it and not another anymore and you want to FF to it? You would turn off the camcorder, plug out your USB or S-Video, turn it on and FF, plug it back in to do so? Or you're not recording but it's currently playing and the feed is also going onto your PC, somebody calls for you and you have to pause it, you wouldn't pause it?I don't understand why you shouldn't pause the camcorder simply because the S-Video or RCA cables are plugged in and transmitting the signal. That is like saying you shouldn't do that when it's plugged into the TV. And I said that it only happens with the Hauppauge, that weird effect every few seconds when paused, it does not happen with the Elgato.
Well when you call something 'a big NO NO' that usually means that there are consequences to doing so, as in you shouldn't do so or something terrible could happen. I was just telling a few odd experiences I didn't see with the Elgato and am asking people if things like this should give me cause to pause regarding the Hauppauge.For comparison's sake since people might ask or are curious, here is what I'm talking about. The first is the Elgato's more normal paused feed, the second is the Hauppauge's. They are.flv files but should be easily played in. Well when you call something 'a big NO NO' that usually means that there are consequences to doing so Yes.dropped frames, audio sync problems and recording/capturing a screen full of garbled/jumbled video.
If I need to capture a 1 hour long VHS tape.but I only need 3 or 4 music videos scattered throughout that tape.I run/capture the whole tape, take out what I need, then delete the big capture. That is what has worked best for me. I don't need to bang my head against the wall trying to figure out why pausing caused me problems. I don't care. 'This' works.And if I only need ONE video of the entire tape.I fast forward and get close to the portion that I need.start the capture at least a minute before the portion I need starts.then again losslessly edit/take the piece I need.delete the original capture.just a suggestion. Well when you call something 'a big NO NO' that usually means that there are consequences to doing so Yes.dropped frames, audio sync problems and recording/capturing a screen full of garbled/jumbled video.
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If I need to capture a 1 hour long VHS tape.but I only need 3 or 4 music videos scattered throughout that tape.I run/capture the whole tape, take out what I need, then delete the big capture. That is what has worked best for me.
I don't need to bang my head against the wall trying to figure out why pausing caused me problems. I don't care. 'This' works.And if I only need ONE video of the entire tape.I fast forward and get close to the portion that I need.start the capture at least a minute before the portion I need starts.then again losslessly edit/take the piece I need.delete the original capture.just a suggestion.Oh no, I completely understand lol, when I get to capturing the actual tapes I'm 'recording' everything start to finish. That's what I do too, and most people.
I was just giving scenarios of things that would happen when you're currently getting the live feed of the tape but not recording, sometimes you end up pausing it. Especially when you're trying to test out different USB capture devices and how they act, like what I'm doing. I haven't captured a full tape yet because right now I'm tying to see which one of the two is better doing the simple stuff via short clips and tests. This is something that happened with the Hauppauge which I thought was odd on a paused screen while.not. actually capturing but just streaming the live feed to my PC, and for all intents and purposes is, considering nothing this weird happens with my Elgato. Here are two more comparisons, this time it's a VHS-C tape played on the JVC S-VHS Camcorder, outputs are S-Video and mono audio again.The large black bar of black dead space is still present on the Hauppauge's capture. I actually now think that what it does is it takes the two black bars that would be on the side and puts it on the right side.
Switching between the 2 videos it looks like the Elgato's total amount of black space on the left and right equals the Hauppauge's one side on the right (the Hauppauge also has nothing on the left). It's odd, but that's what's happening. Elgato has the black dead space split on the left and right, Hauppauge has it added up on the right.Another weird thing I noticed, in this video there's a high pitch noise coming out of the right (it seems) for the Hauppauge capture. No pitch noise from the Elgato. It's almost like a dog whistle, you can barely hear it but it's there.
And yes, the plugs were firmly pushed in all the way. As expected, the caps aren't too different. The Hauppauge cap is shifted a little left and up but that's not unusual. It's the reason ITU caps usually include a little extra on the left and right (720 vs 704 pixels).
Both have captured with too much contrast (darks too dark, brights too bright) but that can probably be adjusted with their video proc amps. The Happuage has crushed blacks at Y=16.
You might be able to compensate for that with the video proc amp, or you might not. The Elgato cap has a little more noise in both the luma and chroma but that is probably more faithful to the source.The audio noise on the Hauppauge cap appears to be the video signal leaking into the audio channel. That's probably because of poor isolation of the analog audio and video signals inside the device. It might go away if you use a Y adapter to send audio to the right channel. Or use a null plug.Based on only the fist pair of clips (I didn't download the second pair) I'd prefer the Elgato. But you should look at other issues like what happens when you fast forward, rewind, pause, or just capture longer segments.
Does either hang up or stop recording? Does one lose more frames than the other?
Problems like that can be a big hassle when trying to capture bad tapes. Here are two more comparisons, this time it's a VHS-C tape played on the JVC S-VHS Camcorder, outputs are S-Video and mono audio again.The large black bar of black dead space is still present on the Hauppauge's capture. I actually now think that what it does is it takes the two black bars that would be on the side and puts it on the right side. Switching between the 2 videos it looks like the Elgato's total amount of black space on the left and right equals the Hauppauge's one side on the right (the Hauppauge also has nothing on the left).
It's odd, but that's what's happening. Elgato has the black dead space split on the left and right, Hauppauge has it added up on the right.Another weird thing I noticed, in this video there's a high pitch noise coming out of the right (it seems) for the Hauppauge capture. No pitch noise from the Elgato.
It's almost like a dog whistle, you can barely hear it but it's there. And yes, the plugs were firmly pushed in all the way. Is there a raison to why you are capturing the camera display info, Did you know that you can turn that off from the camera menu? If you plan on doing your own noise reduction you want the capture to have all the noise that's on the video tape. Noise reduction filters in the tape deck or the capture device are inferior to what you can do in software. They may eliminate small, low contrast detail along with the noise.
If the capture device is adding noise, that's a problem. You can test for this by capturing a very clean source, like a DVD player playing test patterns.Any popular test patterns to play on a DVD player you would recommend to DL or rip from YT? Is there a raison to why you are capturing the camera display info, Did you know that you can turn that off from the camera menu?For the VHS-C camera, just because I want to see where I am when I'm capturing test samples, the exact seconds so I can compare. When I get to actually capturing full tapes from it it'll be turned off. On the Hi8 camcorder the display info stays on the camcorder screen but it doesn't get sent out to the capture's feed, so that's neat and helpful for that device.From what you've all seen so far would you take the Elgato over the Hauppauge?
Ones recorded at very low speedsHow do you determine this? Just older looking tapes?
I'm not real familiar with 8mm and Hi8 decks but VHS players can usually tell you want speed they are playing at, SP, LP, SLP. Ah, now I see what you mean. I'm not at the VHS part of my conversion process as I don't have a good enough deck yet, and I'm almost certain from what I know that this doesn't apply to 8mm and Hi8, maybe VHS-C but I don't know how to check on those.I guess my testing process for now will consist of older 8mm and VHS-C tapes. Okay I'm back with another round of results.Here's what I got from 2 hours and 3 min of recording time with the two from a 8mm tape that was recorded over a few times.Elgato:Hauppauge:NOTE: The first time I ran the 2hr long Haup-capture I got 8 inserted frames. I decided to do it again after the Elgato and got 3 this time.
The Elgato also always inserts a frame at the start of the capture if I'm at the stop screen and press play while capturing (hence the 9 it has) but barring that one they would be equal the first go around with 8 each. But I don't know what that really means as this second time the Hauppauge had only 3 frames inserted.So looking at these with what I wrote in mind, what's the consensus? Why is the Elgato's video size 9 gigs bigger; good thing, bad thing? The first time I ran the 2hr long Haup-capture I got 8 inserted frames./B I decided to do it again after the Elgato and got 3 this time.
The Elgato also always inserts a frame at the start of the capture if I'm at the stop screen and press play while capturing (hence the 9 it has) but barring that one they would be equal the first go around with 8 each. But I don't know what that really means as this second time the Hauppauge had only 3 frames inserted. Obviously, 3 inserted frames is better than 9. But out of 200,000+ frames neither is a problem.
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